Deer and human urine.
Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:35 PM
I have read an article in a magazine a while back about the effect of human urine on deer coming into a hunted area. If I remember correctly the results of the study were that human urine odor had no effect on deer. Needless to say the results really surprised me.
Im sure its happened to all of us we just crawl into the blind or climb the stand and nature calls. This happens to me a lot probably most every time if its cold. Not going to lie i have relieved myself in a gatorade bottle a time or two while sitting in my blind. What do you guys do? Any experience with deer coming in despite having taken a leak on the ground next to your stand/blind? What are your thoughts? Does a deer associate the smell with danger? Is going in a bottle really necessary? My buddies make fun of me for it but im not one to take chances and scent control is first priority as most of you know. I sure hope nobody stumbles upon my blind and is thirsty and grabs one of my pi** jugs.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:02 PM
Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:21 PM
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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:18 AM
Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:26 AM
Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:07 AM
I agree. I hunt on a private farm, and have seen the deer have a lot higher tolerance for humans than they might have in a different setting. Things like noise, movement, and human scent seem to be more acceptable to them. They definitely still notice things, but might not bolt for the next county upon sensing human activity. I'm not saying its the same across the board, but seems to be the case in my own personal experience.
Well, I am pretty much totall against the grain here...I have always heard about the need to pee in a bottle and all that jazz. When I have to go...she goes over the side of the stand and onto the ground....and the deer never stop coming. I have never even had one go over and sniff the spot where I peed just minutes before. That being said, I hunt in a semi-urban area where there is lots of human activity as well as machinery most of the year. I am convinced that deer react only if they detect something abnormal with 2 of their senses. If it seems normal to them, it dosn't bother them. I have hunted the big woods on crown land in my past as well (no deer left there now: different topic) and I would never pee out of a stand there because the deer definitly would react to it. So what I am saying is...it depends on the deer and the their habitat whether or not they will react....this is just my observation
Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:39 AM
I get my buck every 10 years or so.
A drop of skunk pee freshens everything back to nature.
Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:16 PM
If you put soo much time and effort trying to covertly position yourself in the vicinity of the mature buck, it defies logic (in my opinion) to then blatantly announce your presents by peeing in that area.
Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:18 PM
Strange things happen while hunting and positive results sometimes give us the illusion, the end result was because of some artificial gimmick. I remember sitting talking to a group of guy involved with the trade when one said I think I can sell hunters DIRT. He had a line of scents in snuff tins and sure enough he came out with one that smelled like dirt.
Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:59 PM
Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:14 PM
X2 on the bear tactic. I learned from some old fellas to do the same thing to accustom bears to my body odor and fly dope etc by leaving a rag wiped full of my pit sweat and sprayed with dope, you know the tric. It at times takes long for the site to get action, but not by more than a day or two and once they work up the courage to approach, like you've said Sako, they associate that with the bait and will tollerate your presence even when fully downwind of you unless you have some out of the ordinary odor on you so it pays to still take care of that as per usual.
Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:26 AM
it doesnt scare them and I think it attracts the bucks
just my opinion
Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:19 PM
I think anyone bothering to post their “opinion” on any topic and finish their post with “just my opinion” are doing themselves an injustice. I say post with conviction and let the readers have at it. It would be nice if everyone posted with the strength Jay used, but I’m still carrying my pee bottle.
Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:06 PM
I would certainly agree with gchase' comments on the above picture .. it's not possible to get pictures of the deer that you didn't see (as result of your pee), and therefore, the picture evidence holds very little weight as far as comparing the two methods (peeing versus not peeing). What it does show, is that this particular deer, on that day, didn't seem to mind. Maybe there are other like him. Maybe they are all like him! I would think that if you can pull this off on a consistent basis, you might have something.
Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:01 PM
Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:11 PM
Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:50 AM
There used to be a show on Michigan PBS called Fred Trosts Michigan outdoors. He challenged the deer urine industry about the authenticity of deer urine. He spent the money to have the bottled deer urine analized and broken down and most had an active ingredient identified as URHEA. Which turned out to be basically dried human urine. He also tested human bottled urine against deer urine, collected from a farmed whitetail and found the deer reacted the same for both. THey did the same lip curl, taste sample, and urinated a bit. He won the court case but in doing so bankrupted himself and his TV show. After that if it ws deer urine it could be labelled as such but if it was synthetics or not deer urine it had to be labelled as such. Personally I don't carry a bottle but don't usually hunt from stands. If I'm still hunting and have to go, I'll find a water source, urinate and doe bleat or grunt.
You are an American bozzo if you pee in a bottle. If deer where that affraid of our urine they would never move around in the woods.
I've tested it will my trail cam. Take a piss, put out feed and then leave. What do you know...5.5 year old buck comes in at the same time as the day defore.....and then the next day....
Side note, I highly doubt the wild west boys (Sask or Alb) pee in bottles and they shoot/see lots of mature bucks. Lack of deer in NB is the biggest reason why we don't see alot of mature bucks.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:55 AM
I always set up a scrape near my bait pile and I always pee right on it everytime I go by and stir it up , and the concensus is
it doesnt scare them and I think it attracts the bucks
just my opinion
Good for you Jay. Don't listen to GChase anyway....he's already ruined his credibility on this site and other sites. He's the world photoshop champion.
Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:43 PM
I've walked right up to deer while talking to them.
It is when you start sneaking around and acting covertly that they get alarmed.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:26 AM
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